Last night, GentleSpirit asked if it would be okay for her to publish some of our earliest correspondence. Magnanimously I waved my hand in a royal gesture of indulgence. Reading it, I lost myself in the past as her post took me back in time and I decided to share it here as well. We enter hers and my dialogue after our initial hellos and me pointing her to this blog.
GentleSpirit:
Wow… what a day. I did literally spend 2 hours reading and reading.
I read many, with many more to go but I was on emotional overload. The one that got to me was “Sadistic Love.” It was such a strange reaction, both emotionally and physically. I am only now coming down from it, FACT.
I felt as if I had a fever, am still very warm. My face completely flushed, my neck/chest red and blotchy, breathing irregular. I have been doing breathing exercises since. I am confused by this reaction and maybe it is just the intensity of the content.
You are very deep, honest and raw. There is no need to say I’m sorry or thank you… I am just being very honest with you about my thoughts and feelings.
Dreamwalker:
Ahh… “Sadistic Love” is one of the first things I wrote after I “came out” to myself. I was in such turmoil and all the longing and urges and hunger were boiling over inside me. It’s the one piece that will make me kinda misty-eyed when I re-read it. All the emotions come back when I read it. It’s like a postcard sent from me to me.
The content is pretty intense, I agree; you are essentially seeing my footprints going through my own journey. Many pieces are written just because I couldn’t hold them in any longer, like “The Power of a Submissive Woman” or “Suffering Love,” to name some recent ones. Others are in response to other people’s writing or questions or comments or simply them acting as muses.
I love that you had this strong physical reaction to reading. I can’t wait to answer your questions and to correspond with you. I want to know what you think and what you feel.
GentleSpirit:
I want to tell you that I have never ever in my entire life talked with another human being about this…
I do identify with this, and I am sure it is why I have reacted to it. I have never ever considered myself in any way Masochistic… then I have never put a lot of thought into it. Maybe it’s shame, maybe not.
On the other hand I fear pain. I am not a cutter, never have been. I have, though, in times of emotional pain… dug my nails into myself until I drew blood, bit myself, pulled my hair so hard to be in the moment, stop the noise, just feel something different in times of emotional pain, and I have never said it out loud or in an email or any other way.
So… there is my confession. Strange that I am telling a stranger, but after reading your words, you don’t feel like a stranger. I guess we are all on a journey of self awareness on some level.
I do have questions but right now I don’t know what they are because I haven’t been able to clear my head. I will try again another time. I just wanted to say all that, and I trust it will stay only with you.
Dreamwalker:
No, my dear GentleSpirit; I don’t feel like a stranger, do I? The fact that my writing affects you means that you and I are cut of the same cloth in one way or another. You are not like me but you have the tools to see me and to understand.
I assure you; this is your secret, it’s not mine to give away. I am not going to betray your trust.
I know many masochists that hate pain. Personally, I make a distinction between masochists and pain-sluts. Pain-sluts get turned on by pain; some orgasm from pain. Masochists, on the other hand, feel pain just like me; the difference is that they can use that pain to shape their emotions. They can use that pain to experience an emotional journey. They can most definitely use that pain to combat emotional pain, like fighting fire with fire.
It may be hard for a masochist to figure out themselves sometimes. They may hate the pain but at the same time they may crave it for some unfathomable reason. They may dread the pain yet they find that their body responds with sexual arousal to it. They may think that they are insane when they submit to it yet they find that when it’s all done, they feel more alive and more connected with themselves than ever before.
Have you ever had a lover hurt you intentionally while having sex? It can be as simple as biting you while kissing you passionately, or pinching your nipples, or spanking you. If so, how did you feel at the time? How did you feel afterwards?
If you can use pain as you described to dull emotional pain, you can also use pain in good ways, to create good, compelling emotions. It’s just a matter of you wanting and daring to try it. Note that I’m not trying to talk you into it; I’m only saying that it is possible for you to explore—in your own time and at your own speed—that aspect of you safely and that there are people that think that masochists are the most beautiful and magical creatures alive.
I sense that you have a lot of thinking to do before you will make up your mind about exploring that part of you further and I will be happy to answer any questions that you may have.
GentleSpirit:
Thank you, Dreamwalker, for your insight. Please do not feel the need to tell me that you are not trying to talk me into anything. I know this. It would never cross my mind because while I do have a very strong submissive nature, I am also an independent thinker, and believe me, my need to self preserve is probably the strongest instinct I have.
Nobody could “talk me into” anything I didn’t want to do, so regardless what is said between us, I will never think that. please speak freely with me, and offer your input. I will either accept it or reject it if I feel it is inaccurate. I enjoy the exchange.
To answer your question, yes I have asked lovers to inflict pain, albeit mild in the past. In my last relationship, I told my partner that I wanted him to slap me across the face as hard as he could which he did while we were having sex. He hated it, I loved it. He never did it again.
I also liked to be pinched, bitten, hair pulling. I even asked him to act out a rape scene with me, which he tried but was immediately turned off by the whole thing. It actually was the beginning of the end of our relationship.
Funny, at the time, and up until this moment, I felt it was just being a little kinky. Now, I think maybe it was more. I don’t know where the line from D/s crosses over to S/M. How far does it have to go? Is it a gradual journey? I am not sure about it.
You are the first person I have ever talked to about this side, and I certainly have never revealed the info in my earlier email to anyone. I never gave it much thought, but then putting it together with the stuff from my relationship, then maybe there is something to it.
I am for sure not a pain slut. I know this much. The rest I just don’t know. It is more complicated again as I don’t even want to think about it, to decide. It’s all part of my desire to submit, I just want someone else to deal with it, someone I trust completely. Like you said in your writing, turn off the critical mind.
I want to surrender to someone who will love me in return for that surrender. I no longer want to be a slave to my mind. Does this make any sort of sense? I feel like I am speaking a foreign language.
Dreamwalker:
Ahh, yes, biting, hair pulling, and pinching while kissing her is the way I express my affection for her. I don’t think I can kiss a woman I am attracted to without her walking away with bruises, a burning scalp, tender nipples and tousled hair. Not that I have had any complaints so far.
I especially love it when the lady tells me later (or emails me from work) and relates how she can’t turn her head without feeling the bite marks or that she can’t move without her nipples burning against her bra. It’s like I’m with her the whole day.
It is a foreign language to me when you say that your partner hated slapping you across the face. I understand the words but they don’t compute. How could he feel that way? How could it not make him want to jump you that much more?
I know, I know… I work a little bit differently from other guys.
But what you are saying makes all the sense in the world to me. You want (or need) to surrender, to let go of the buzzing in your mind and to have someone else take the wheel while you focus on feeling and experiencing. I know that very well. I have the same want and need, only from the perfectly complementary position.
I need to control my lover. Not as in having her fetch my drinks or bathe me (although I wouldn’t mind) but as in seeing her surrender in her eyes and feeling her trust that I will look out for her while she gives herself to me. And I’m arrogant enough to think that me taking what I want from her is satisfying for her too. In so many ways I actually live the experience through her.
She’s the hub, if you will, and I am the rim. That is where I want her; in the center where everything comes together, where she is shielded from contact with the road, where she is connected with me in all directions with ribbons of light from her heart to mine.
I can’t imagine anything more beautiful and emotionally satisfying than the female surrendering to me because she’s found me worthy of her surrender and get to shield her and possess her—love her—because of that very surrender. I want her to tell me to take her, to do with her as I will, because she trusts me to keep her safe and to use her for both ours pleasure. To use her, to possess her, to make her mine.
I am perfectly open with my disposition for rough sex. Or violently tender sex. Not angry sex but primal sex, aggressive in its passion. It’s about wanting to be so close to your lover that you will go through her skin just to get inside her. I’m sure that you will get a sense of my almost desperate need for intimacy with the lady in my writing.
I like to say that I shy away from the “dominant” label because I feel that it does not convey the forces that drive me. Even though I certainly take the dominant role, obedience does not move me nearly as strongly as forcing my lover’s surrender and shaping her emotions and experience with my intimate touch.
I am not a remote, clinical sadist, although I do have my “mad scientist” days. I am passionately aggressive and in her face and raw and messy; pain is primarily a tool for me to achieve intimacy and connection with my victim. My vocabulary is in the empathic language of the torturer and the tortured.
I’m not a Master This or a Sir That and I’m certainly not going to whip you into 12 different slave positions. In the end, it is simply about her and me and us communicating and connecting the way males and females have done for aeons before we started bothering with critical thinking and political correctness. Or language, even, for that matter.
I have no idea when something crosses the line from d/s to s/m. Frankly, I don’t have the time or energy to figure that one out. Every person you ask will give you a different answer so I figure that the answer is largely irrelevant. All I care about is if the way I express myself and communicate gets through to you and you understand what I’m conveying. When I slap your face, will you understand that I am simply trying to penetrate your awareness? When I bite you, will you understand that I’m saying, “I want you?” When I pinch your nipples until you scream into my mouth, will you understand that I’m saying, “You are beautiful?”
If me yanking your hair to keep you still while I kiss you feels abusive to you, if me becoming even more aroused when I see a tear trickle down your cheek feels scary to you, if me pinning you to the wall by your throat feels like an assault, we don’t speak the same language no matter the labels we use.
It is most certainly a gradual journey although the journey can be faster than you think. Once you embark on it you may find that it feels like coming home, like you are freer than ever before and you can’t wait to experience more and more and more. It is actually quite common; if anything you should worry about being able to contain yourself and move in a reasonable speed.
I hope I’m making sense so far.
GentleSpirit:
Yes, you are making perfect sense to me. Really.
It’s amazing how fast you can get to know people here. It’s funny, someone messaged me a week ago with the following: “All I want is to see tears streaming out of those eyes.” It scared me. It did not turn me on in any way, shape or form.
When you say it, I feel differently. I think its because of trust. I have known you about 8 hours and through just simple open talking and sharing I don’t fear you in any way. Maybe I am silly (LOL). What I mean is you are not scaring me with anything you have said so far.
The thing with my ex is that I think somehow it messed with me because he was disgusted by me after that. Up until that, he was so into me. He was very angry with me and didn’t sleep with me again after that for a year. We lived together so you can imagine how that was, and he was very verbal about why and that he thought there was something mentally wrong with me.
The sex came back eventually, but it was never the same, I disconnected. I have a deep deep fear of rejection so I am not sure the effect all of this had on me, but I know it did have an impact emotionally.
I did read the writing about you and your lady. Again, written very beautifully, and I found your imagery very powerful. I was not scared reading it at all. Nothing you have said scares me. The unknown is what scares me, to be a failure scares me, to disappoint someone I love scares me. Everything pretty much scares me. I am attached to fear. I don’t know why. I have to let it go, even if you look at my profile, it is full of fear. I need to let it go, to surrender, so I can trust and love and give and accept it all back.
Wow… where did that come from? I find speaking to you very therapeutic, very healing. Your writing has this effect on me too.
Thank you for not judging me, and for being so kind to me. I am in a very unfamiliar place within myself today, I am very affected by your writing, but I cannot identify what it is I feel. I just know I have never reacted so strongly to anything ever before and I am trying to work it out in my head. That is probably the first mistake.
Do you think I am crazy yet?
Dreamwalker:
It’s the bane of my life; nobody fears me once they get to know me. Pout. Especially the masochists. I’m just a big teddy bear…
Kinda. Sorta. With sharp teeth and claws.
I speak of really intense things but I think it comes through that I hurt my lovers through desire and passion. I know about a lot of sadists/doms that build their ego on their bottoms’ expense and those brutes I would be afraid of. It is obvious that I care deeply for you when I hurt you, that I hurt you because I find you so desirable that I need to do it. And when you feel desired you aren’t afraid even though the expression of that desire hurts you.
I know so very well how much it hurts to be thought of as being mentally wrong. When I came out I was accused of being a psychopath. Still, that wasn’t a rejection like the one you suffered. I can’t even imagine how much that hurt or what kind of impact it had on you, emotionally.
The fear of the unknown is natural, GentleSpirit. It really helps to have someone take your hand and help guide you through navigating something as complex as your own emotions and desires. Especially when you are taught to think of them as wrong and not healthy. I wish I had had someone calm and experienced to guide me through my initial steps.
I had help, though, from the Spider, but she mostly pulled me out from my shell; she was not together enough to actually give me direction and a sense of rightness and safety.
I once was fortunate enough to play with a very experienced painslut and she taught me a lot but I didn’t have an emotional attachment to her and I need that more than anything else. I don’t mind casual sex or casual play but it really doesn’t satisfy me. I just wind up being hungrier afterwards.
I don’t think your profile is full of fear, GentleSpirit. You sound cautious and with good reason, I think. I can’t even imagine how scary it must be to have the urge to surrender and venture into a place where you are immediately greeted with “All I want is to see tears streaming out of those eyes.” I doubt it feels very good or gives you a fuzzy feeling about the whole thing.
I had a conversation not long ago with a friend of mine where she related her experiences in trying to get her needs met in vanilla relationships. It was heart-wrenching to listen to how vulnerable and exposed a submissive woman feels and how much strength and courage it takes to ask for what you need.
In a vanilla relationship, I, on the other hand, don’t need to ask. In fact, it may be preferable from both sides of the coin that I do not ask. All I have to do is to push, gently or not-so-gently, and pay close attention to her response.
Communication is essential, but the overwhelming portion of communication is non-verbal, and a woman communicates so much with you without needing to say a single word, as long as you pay attention to her.
All I have to do is to push and all my lover has to do is to yield, all I have to do is to lead and all she has to do is to follow. I don’t need to ask for anything and I don’t need to verbalize my needs or wants. All I have to do is to reach for something that may or may not be there.
But being a submissive, you have to communicate what you want and need. You have to expose yourself and be vulnerable and hope that the ones you choose to trust will meet those wants and needs. That must be so hard and so frustrating. Just finding a way to verbalize and communicate what you need, exposing yourself, putting yourself out there that vulnerable, is in itself a feat.
If your need is to be taken, if your need is to surrender, you have to find the strength and courage and conviction to verbalize what you want, perhaps even give him a manual or a recipe for success. You have to reduce and condense what you are and what you need into something that can be communicated intellectually. When you negotiate needs, you have to do it far removed from the emotional space in which the needs will actually be fulfilled.
That is the crux; as a top I can bring you into an emotional state of mind and keep you there while I push and prod and test your responses. The less you think, the better. The more you feel, the better. The more of your awareness that pours into your body from your head, the better. And the negotiation between us about what I need from you and what you will give stays primarily in a non-verbal, emotional, high-bandwidth space.
I think speaking to me feels therapeutic because you can sense that I am genuinely interested in you and what you are feeling. I have no standing in judging you or anyone else. I’m the one who likes hurting women, for chrissakes. As glasshouses go, mine is pretty darn fragile. Still, I can’t judge you because what you are is incredibly beautiful and magical to me. You are a treasure and I am just happy to help you figure out how to protect that treasure and to appreciate it for its beauty.
Nope, not crazy in the least. In fact, you sound saner than most. And realizing that trying to figure out this in your head is a mistake just goes to show how sane you are. You are of course correct; your brain is largely superfluous in this case. It will get in the way most of the time. In fact, you are here to a great degree because you want to take a break from it. Just like that “gone fishing” remark I made in “Why Do I Want to be Hurt?”
The fact that you have never reacted this strongly about anything ever before is a significant indicator that you should invest the time and effort in researching this aspect of yourself and explore it. If just reading about this causes such a reaction, how do you think experiencing it will feel? For better or worse, you will never want to go back. You will be ruined for “normal” sex for the rest of your life. And you won’t mind a bit.
What you can experience with someone who is your perfect complement and you both descend into the primal and elemental connection between a male and a female, where the female surrenders all of herself to him, is not out of this world. It is the world. It’s the kind of experience that makes you happy that you are male (or female in your case) and that you are alive.
GentleSpirit:
I do have a couple of questions to ask. Is it normal to have fear and to be afraid when you are exploring this? Have you ever been with someone that you could see was afraid of what was happening, or what might happen? How did that make you feel?
Dreamwalker:
Of course it’s normal to be afraid. You are essentially standing on the ledge of a chasm and you’re considering jumping in, figuring that you’ll learn how to fly on the way down.
Yes, I have been with lovers that were afraid or apprehensive but everyone took my hand because they trusted me to keep them safe. That must be one of the biggest rushes I get; when I see the anxiety in her eyes and the only reason she chooses to go through with it is because she trusts me. Me. It means so much to me because I trust their judgment.
The answer to your question about how it made me feel is that it made me feel honored, it made me feel very possessive and intensely protective. I felt like I was entrusted with something fragile and precious and it made me want to live up to that trust even more.
And it has always been such a reward to see the triumph in her eyes and pride and sheer awe afterwards.
“Oh my G-d, I didn’t know I could feel this way!”
I have been lucky, though. I have been privileged with having mostly positive experiences. But that’s probably because I am picky about who I engage with. I need an emotional connection beforehand and if we already have that, we are already well on our way.
The only experience that concluded in a non-positive way was the one I wrote about in “I Touched an Angel Last Night.” I believed her when she overstated her experience and I went a little too deep the first time. I am different in that I go for your heart rather than trying to make you hurt and she had no experience with an emotional assault like that; she was used to the more common floggers and whips and crosses and impersonal dungeon stuff.
I came at her with an emotional intensity I believed she was yearning for and we came across an emotional landmine with her ex. She crumbled and cried and needed to stop. We met again two weeks later and worked very well together but we never met again after that; we didn’t really mesh personality-wise.
GentleSpirit:
Just so you know who you are speaking to. The brunette pics are last couple weeks. I was blonde up until then. The third pic is a couple of months old, and the last one was me being silly for my sons exhibition football game. This one is about a year ago. Again, it probably goes without saying, but for you only.
Dreamwalker:
I think I like you better as a brunette, but I have a thing for brunettes and redheads. Long hair, please; it’s more to grab hold of and I tend to keep my hands in the lady’s hair a lot. I just like her hair. Shrugs.
Having grown up in Sweden where every girl was blonde (slight exaggeration but only slight) made me think that brunettes and redheads were exotic.
I like your eyes and you have a lovely smile. “pic” is my favorite of these pictures.
So what’s your natural hair color? Or don’t you remember? Grins.
Read our continued correspondence in Love letters: The second day.


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You both make me believe in love again.
Thank you .. deeply and always
I don’t think anyone could say anything as beautiful and/or meaningful than that. Thank you so very much.
Thank you so much lovely friend. You know, we wrote like this for a month without ever so much as talking on the phone. I am going to post all of them, with Dreamwalker’s permission.
I am so grateful to have it all documented. This was and is the happiest time of my life. I have changed and grown and am just so much better because of his love and acceptance and understanding. He is my everything, Iona. I adore him. There is nothing he could ever ask of me that the answer would be no.
I know you have the same relationship with James. It is magical and beautiful and thank you for sharing your stories as well. You are truly a magnificent woman.
Thank you so much for posting these; a very intimate exchange and breathtaking at times.
There are many points that I had to re-read just to savour the expressions you have both used or to wriggly inwardly with happiness as I identified with what you were discussing.
I especially loved the wheel analogy (hub and rim), and the “disposition for rough sex. Or violently tender sex. Not angry sex but primal sex, aggressive in its passion”, and “..many masochists that hate pain…Masochists…can use that pain to shape their emotions. They can use that pain to experience an emotional journey. They can most definitely use that pain to combat emotional pain, like fighting fire with fire”, and ” I am attached to fear. I don’t know why. I have to let it go… I need to let it go, to surrender, so I can trust and love and give and accept it all back”. Yes, yes and yes and yes!