This FetLife question reads thusly: As a D-type, how do you process making a consensual, willing partner really, truly suffer? Is there a point at which it becomes clear to you that your partner is in the “hate it zone?” Is this for you a sign to stop? Or is it more like a carrot dangling that says, “Charge! Now’s when the fun really starts!” How do you feel after?
A: With me, there are no hard, fast rules about practically anything. It depends on my mood and her mood whether I consider the “hate it zone” a sign to stop or a sign that the warm-up just ended and that she is fully receptive for the sadist in me to make love to her.
And that’s exactly what it is for us. The moments when GentleSpirit is in so much agony that she can’t even draw a breath to scream, or when her long, black hair is plastered to her face and she can’t even move her arms to cover herself up, or when I muffle her screams with my hand and her little hands shoot up to cover her own mouth over my hand because she cannot stop screaming, that’s when the sadist in me is making love to her.
There are no times when we are more intimate, connected more deeply, and more complete than during (and after) those times. It is making love primally, elementally, with our hearts and our souls, rather than with our minds.
So how do I process making a consensual, willing partner really, truly suffer?
Generally, I rely on my sensitivity to her responses to me, on my empathy with her to guide me. I have no wish to harm her and it is not even really about hurting her; in the end it is about connecting with her, of making love with her. And, yes, of pleasing her too in my own Safe, Sick, and Consensual way; her pleasure may not be immediately obvious while I touch her but it is most definitely there afterwards.
I once said this to a fellow sadist:
I think that might be the golden rule of thumb in assessing success for the likes of us; the lady may question her sanity at the time, but when everything is said and done, she should shyly, or not so shyly, ask when we can do it again. She may be glad that the ordeal is over, but the next day, or the next week, she should be thinking about it, reliving it, feeling her skin tingling for that particular touch, feeling her heart tingling for that particular emotion again.
She is the emotional engine in the relationship. It is through her emotions and her responses and her acceptance of me and my needs that we both draw strength from our relationship. And, believe it or not, my burning touch gives her emotional spa-days vital for her peace of mind and wellbeing.
I know you worry from time to time that I am just suffering through pain, but darling, oh how I crave it. I need it. When we make love, to me it is like a beautiful, delicious Indian spicy spicy curry. It burns, nose is running, eyes watering, tongue on fire, but you can’t stop eating it. You crave that burn. This is how it feels for me. I crave your burn.
But I don’t always process making this beautiful, magnificent woman suffer very well. On occasion after a more intense session I suffer top-drop laced with guilt, for instance. Interestingly enough, it is actually not guilt about what I have done but rather about what I could have done. A pre-emptive guilt about what I learn that I am capable of, if you will, even though I may never go there.
I’m not saying this to make myself sound gnarly; this is a truly frightening feeling for a thinking man, a man who can’t bear the thought of shying away from his own mirror-image in the morning.
It is like the sinking feeling you may feel after avoiding a crash on the freeway more or less by pure luck, when you continue driving unscathed with a clump in your throat but your mind is left at the spot of that close-call, shrinking in the rear view mirror behind you. You find yourself playing nightmare scenarios in your head of what could have been.
It is like being afforded a brief look behind the veil over Dorian Gray’s painting; when I am in that place I feel like I get glimpses of what I truly am and what I really look like and it can be… disconcerting.
That is one of the things I struggle with, no matter how much she assures me that she knows that I am a good man and that I would never harm her. After all, I am not a machine and I am not Superman; when she suffers and spills her tears for me and on me, how can I possibly guarantee that I won’t snap and feed deeper? How can I possibly promise that I will not feed more from her than she can afford to give?
Sigh. Nobody can.
After all, we are dancing on the edge of reason here; the deeper she sinks into the primal and the elemental, the deeper she draws me in as well. Is it reasonable to remain calm and collected and completely in my head while she loses herself for the benefit of us both? Doesn’t she deserve me to make the journey with her? To hold her hand in free-fall rather than dispassionately watching her descend from the safety of the ledge of reason?
I don’t want to push her off the ledge. I want to leap into the void and pull her along with me, holding hands as we descend.
Together.


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Thank you so much!
Your words are so close to what I hear from my Sadist.
You write so eloquently it takes my breath away.
Thank you, dear Nancy, for reading and taking the time to comment. If what I say is close to what your sadist is saying, I like him already.
Aaah. You’re back, Dreamwalker. I hope you don’t need me to tell you that but just in case I’ll tell you.
This is the openness of response that captivated me all that time ago on FetLife. This is an explicit illustration of sadistic love that resonates with me. You often articulate what I have seen and experienced with James. Reading about it feeds me in another way.
@GentleSpirit: I have often wondered if there was a connection between my love of spicy food and my particular style of masochism. Your analogy is spot on. xx
Smiles. I do indeed seem to be making my way back, slowly but surely. The winter in my heart is still holding on but I am starting to see little drops of water at the tips of the icicles as they are beginning to melt…
When I read this the only thing I can think is what a lucky, lucky girl I am. Snap and feed, my love. Oh please do. I beg you.
How can any man in his right mind resist such a beautiful request?
Smiles. I am reminded of you walking around yesterday in public, showing off quite the bruised cleavage. I keep thinking that I’m so careful but the aftermath is speaking for itself…
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